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Post by KoNeko on Sept 1, 2003 8:42:52 GMT -5
Yeah, I found the ending unsatisfactory. Especially because with the subtitles, you know that crazed slut chick who apparently died and then went on to win the game (explain how she survived multiple machine gun fire to me ) and they were like "Girl #(whatever) dead?" with a big question mark. No, not obvious. She was at that scene at the beginning when the reporters saw her and she was smiling! Man, she looked creepy when she was smiling. So sinister.
But yeah. After doing forensics, I've got to note that there was no enough blood at all. Especially with that neck exploding guy at the beginning of the film, or the girl that got knifed in the head.
Oh! But that guy with the crazy brown frizzy hair that signed up for BR (nuts, I tell you) was freaky, you know when he shot the guy on the bike and the bike guy had a bulletproof vest on, so he was ok, and so crazy sign-up guy goes and cuts his head off, puts a grenade in his mouth and throws it through the window of the house? What a nutter. Especially when he was dying (after he shot all those anarchist bombmaker kids) and he had blood coming out of his eyes and had cataract looking things! Tell me he's not insane.
About the happy video at the beginning, Neko said that apparently IRL in Japan in recent years they've been using the "cute girl" approach to make people join the armed forces! I thought it was really twisted, but apparently people in Japan go for that sort of thing.
As for who I'd be- well, I'd ideally like to think of myself as the anarchist guy who tried to bring down the system. You know, the hacker guy? Just because, well, if you know you're going to die within three days, you'd do everything in your power to stop it or at least bring down the barbaric system that was overriding the whole thing, and perhaps save a lot of people on the way. Now, that was noble. Well, I'd at least llike to think I'd do that- suicide wouldn't cut it for me, because that's useless, and I don't think murder is very constructive.
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Post by Sphi on Sept 1, 2003 12:37:41 GMT -5
Some of the subtitles were very annoying, like the very ending when it says RUN!
There was definitely a lot of insanity in the movie. Mostly that girl (she died near the end, right? I think she was shot by the crazy guy) and the volunteer guy. The guy who volunteered was definitely freaky. And at the end, when he walked out blinded with the fire behind him? That was ugly.
So Japan actually uses the cute, happy stuff in times of war and destruction? That seems rather twisted, don't you think? It's not like that's going to make it more appealing to people, either.
Heh, I could see you as one of the hackers, but I don't think I would be clever enough to take down the system. It's interesting, though, that the only people who survived were the ones who had complete faith in at least one other person. The others, whether they kept living their lives normally, tried to escape, didn't want to play "the game", or went on murderous rampages, all ended up dead. But I can't say for sure that I wouldn't do something crazy or cowardly if I were actually in that position.
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Post by KoNeko on Sept 2, 2003 4:18:06 GMT -5
I don't know. I think apparently Japan really digs the cute, happy stuff. It's a real marketing ploy, and the people really go for it.
Hahaha, no, I don't think I would be clever enough to take down the system either (well, I don't have an uncle who could teach me how to make bombs in the first place ) but I'd as sure hell try. I don't know, I'd do it even if it means I'd have to lob grenades in through the windows or drive a truck through the front of the school.
You know, I was always expecting the two main characters to either kill each other (you know, sort of like how that guy with the yellow bandana who survived the BR was saying) or die. Come on, as if they could really survive the game with a pair of binoculars and a pot lid. I'm being cynnical but still.
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Post by KoNeko on Sept 6, 2003 13:32:04 GMT -5
Does 28 Days Later count as a scary movie?
I just saw it and the fact that people were really ruthless survivors, coupled by the scary zombie people with glow-in-the-dark red eyes (the bit when they were running in the tunnel and even the rats were running away from them and you could see their shadows and they were really jerky and stuff really freaked me out) had me basically with my head in the popcorn bucket for the whole movie...
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Post by Nie on Sept 8, 2003 3:45:23 GMT -5
You know what was a really good movie that's meant to be scary? The Frighteners with Michael J. Fox.
It's just a really good movie. For one, it has Michael J. Fox. He's just an awesome actor. It's really sad that he's had to give up his acting career becuase of his health. But I really liked him in this movie. And the cinematics and special affects were awesome as well. I remember the first time I watched it when I was younger I kept my lamp on in my room and couldn't get to sleep cos I was watching the walls to see if a face would stretch out from them.
And yeah. The Japanese have this real thing about "cute". It's the hugest thing over there, hence all the cute anime like Digimon and Pokemon and stuff, plus all the other cute stuff. And cute really does suck everyone in over there. It's kinda amazing just how much cute gets people over there in fact.
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Post by guinevere on Oct 13, 2003 12:00:23 GMT -5
I know we had a topic on this, but can*t find it... I watched The Ring on cable Saturday night...have wanted to see it for awhile, so I was home alone and decided to go for it (my mate won*t watch anything scary).. it wasn*t all that scary until she climbed out of the tv--that freaked me out....and the ending was cool, too. No neat little tie-ups, no destroying of the tape--it goes on and on.
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Post by En on Oct 13, 2003 12:34:34 GMT -5
One nice touch I respected on The Ring: the "tracking fuzz" that flickers across the screen when it shows the studio logo. You know, like how videotapes sometimes have those bars of static that skim over the screen while the heads in the VCR are adjusting? They did that on purpose so that (especially if you're watching the DVD) you feel immediately that there is something weird going on with the recording of the film itself. Nice.
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Post by KoNeko on Oct 19, 2003 8:32:01 GMT -5
Oooh yeah. I remember that. And even if you're going through the menu on the DVD for the different features and stuff, every time you select one, it goes to a milisecond of that fuzz and something that looks like the eye of Sadako, which was really creepy, because not everyone picks it up, so usually if you watch it in a group, one person goes "did you see that?" and someone else says "see what?" and so on.
Guin- if you thought the climbing out of the TV bit was bad, wait until you see the 2nd one, when she starts taking over other people's bodies on TV...
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Post by En on Oct 19, 2003 13:42:48 GMT -5
which was really creepy, because not everyone picks it up, so usually if you watch it in a group, one person goes "did you see that?" and someone else says "see what?" and so on. *mini-epiphany* I wonder how much of scary depends on sharing the experience? I mean, not just because stuff is more fun when you share it, or because people jump when other people jump, but also pheromones -- do we react to the fear of other people watching with us? And how much of fear comes from one person catching something, describing it, and leaving the others looking for it or imagining it? I'm always more scared by what I missed than by what I saw....
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Post by KoNeko on Oct 22, 2003 8:00:54 GMT -5
Hmmm. I think lots of things centre around the shared experience, and fear is one of them. You know, like when you're a kid and you go camping with your class or whatever and someone tells a scary story around the campfire, and then one person gets tapped on the shoulder or something and they scream, and then someone else screams because the first person screamed?
Speaking of kids on school camp, Freddy vs Jason comes out here soon. Bleurgh.
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Post by En on Oct 22, 2003 12:40:09 GMT -5
*has been thinking more about that* I think it's probably a biochemical thing. When we were monkeys, we had to be able to respond as a group to one member's fear -- like, if one of us was getting mauled by a tiger, the rest had to want to run to safety en masse.
I so many kinds of didn't bother noticing that there was a Freddy vs. Jason movie. Hollywood needs to quit pitching what sold once before and start letting some creative new talent tell some stories we haven't heard yet Whatever happened to talent agencies recruiting talent?
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Post by Calantha on Nov 2, 2003 22:56:47 GMT -5
So uh...I just got back from the Texas Chainsaw Masacre... Yeah...maybe if I wasn't afraid of practically every horror movie, I might have even laughed through it. I generally don't like scary stories based on true stories...like it creeps me out to know that it happened...you know? So I didn't know it was a true story...I never saw the first one... And so while I was watching it I kept on wondering what their family and friends thought about the movie...to make money about these kids deaths. And then I thought of the people laughing in the movie theater and I wondered if they knew that there are actually people like that and suddenly I felt very small and alone because it was a true story...and then I kept on questioning what was the last drop that made that guy kill all those people...like what kind of sick person does that and he must have, at one point, needed someone to talk to and wasn't it sad no one was there to talk to him before he became a killer. So I've decided this movie is a perfect example of why I can't watch scary movies...because I can't understand the killer's motives...and when I can't understand the killer's motives I don't know how to fix the problem.
Well, that and I am a wimp and I really get into movies...
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Post by Calavera Diablos on Nov 3, 2003 1:50:30 GMT -5
That's pure gimmick, my Kitten. TCM is NOT based on a true story (like the Blair Witch project, that I admit to being fooled by and was scared out of my wits). What the film IS based on are real killers, like Ed Gein (total inspiration for the flesh suit/mask, sewing machine and mannequins big tribute), Charles Manson (and his "family", which was what Rob Zombie's House of 1000 Corpses was based on) and the like. To imagine the fact that there actually was a man who killed people and skinned them to make a suit is scary as all hell and the first TCM created a very convincing film based on previous criminals. Silence of the Lambs character Buffalo Bill was also influenced by Ed Gein. The new TCM was pretty scary and I admit that I jumped during many parts, but it just didn't capture the elements that made the first one such a classic. Take the Hitchhiker for example. In the first movie, the Hitchiker that our trio of 70's kiddies pick up is found out to later to be a member of Leatherface's family. It wasn't that hard to pick up since after he gets in the van, he starts mutilating his own arm and attacks the wheelchair bound character in said hippie teen group. That was scary, it was the unthinkable. You pick up some country bumpkin and you imagine the Andy Griffith show kindness and simple hospitality, not a psycho, inbred killer. The sheriff, straight off the bat, you know he's bad! He's a nasty perverted necrophile (and he chews tobacco, yick). In the first movie, you didn't find that out until much later in the movie, which made a very clever twist. Honestly, the Trailer for the new TMC was brilliant. It was "Signs" trailer creepy. The camera concept and noise created tension and unrest. Maybe that kind of killed the movie? You were expecting alot more than what you got. I found myself either getting bored inbetween the suspense parts or just plain laughing. When she ran into the Meat Packing Plant? I grimaced. Oh well, there was unecessary Possum-locker opening (Why? If you found a shaking locker, would you open it? And where did that crowbar come from?) and lots of white tanktop wearing Erin-falling-into-puddle moments, which was a nice B-movie touch. I don't know if maybe I'm just a sick *censored* and I'm completely numb to the gore or what, but the first film scared me alot and this one was simply... amusing for a late night after Halloween fun.
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Post by Calantha on Nov 3, 2003 8:36:55 GMT -5
Okay, despite the fact that I feel horribly gullible now about the story being real , I am very very happy you told me it's only kinda-sorta based on a true story but not really. You really do not know how much that eases my issues with that movie. That doesn't mean I still wasn't scared...but hey...it's a step up in my horror world. I admit that the possum part was funny...I actually hit one on the way to movies Eh, I'm probably the worst critic of horror movies because to me almost any horror movie is so scary I can't sleep at night...even Gremlins until a year ago when I forced myself to watch again, scared me and even *sigh* the Ernest movie where the trolls turned people into wooden dolls scared me...like...when the troll reaches up and graps the girl when she's on her bed...*shivers* And I get off topic... Yes, I also questioned why she opened the locker. And why she ever listened to the creepy kid with the screwed up teeth...and maybe the biggest part was why did she ever enter the meat packing place. I'd prefer the woods better, even if there was a killer... I got who the hitchhiker was at the beginning...I just didn't understand why they felt like they had to keep a dead body in the back of their van... I would've voted to dump it off...and then started walking towards the highway. I had to keep reminding myself during the movie that "stupid people deserve to die in horror movies"...although as mean as it sounds... And to think that probably all my friends either a) think it is a true story (which I serious doubt) or b) were in on the joke....hmph. Oh well.
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Post by En on Nov 3, 2003 14:35:03 GMT -5
One of those things I'd like to figure out someday is why so many people think things are scarier if they're based on true stories. This is the real mystery behind urban legends. Isn't it scary enough that people are capable of making something like that up, without actually doing it? Anyway. It gets me too, I just don't know why.
I watched 28 Days Later with a few friends this weekend, and it scared me for a variety of reasons. There were so many examples of what kind of monstrosities humans are capable of -- from what the scientists were doing to the monkeys at the beginning, especially the one hooked up to the TVs, to what the soldiers were prepared to do to the two female survivors. Plus, things about virulent viruses push one of my personal scares-me-badly buttons, because I have this dread of sickness. *shudder* And the film included some really brilliant scenes about human-ness that only added to the terror. Like (um, I'm trying not to spoil anything here, so we'll just say that the disease appears to attack the human brain and cause people to stop acting rationally) the scene where the dad becomes infected and tries to tell his daughter to get away, and the scene where the infected guy who's been chained up seems to be reaching out for help, but is really just luring an uninfected person closer, or taking a breather, or something -- it's an animal behaviour that, for a moment, looked human, and then wasn't. That one really got me
Ditto what Koko said about the scene in the tunnel -- the shadows were terrifying -- human shapes without human movements. Eeek...
Anyone else seen this? Opinions?
...I just want to throw in two more things I loved about it that had nothing to do with the scary-ness of it: 1. a real heroine, perfectly capable of doing whatever she has to do; and 2. good use of Faure's Requiem... that almost made me cry....
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