MagPie
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Post by MagPie on Nov 13, 2003 16:12:14 GMT -5
But would it really hit Harry that hard if PERCY was the traitor? I think that would be much harder on Ron and the rest of the Weasleys. Another Weasly-as-traitor would be worse for Harry, I think. And JKR doesn't necessarily need to go that route for a plot twist. She could be thinking of someone entirely outside of the Weasleys. I kinda got over this when I read the 5th book, but by the end of GoF, I must say I was a tad suspicious of dear ol' Dumbledore...
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Post by Dare on Nov 13, 2003 16:25:50 GMT -5
DUMBLEDORE?!?! really?!?! wow, i could never think worse of Dumbledore... even in the 5th book i knew there HAD to be a reason for the way he was acting....If you loose faith in Dumbleydore, what can you believe in?
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Post by MagPie on Nov 13, 2003 17:06:20 GMT -5
Well, exactly, and like I said I have kinda given up on that theory after reading the 5th one. But when I have a chance to re-read, I'll be sure and point out the things I thought were fishy.
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Post by Dare on Nov 21, 2003 17:07:08 GMT -5
ooh definitely.... I'd love to hear what made you think that!
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Post by hermoine on Nov 26, 2003 16:03:19 GMT -5
After reading through loads of threads about this topic, I'm not quite sure if Percy would join or not. He is ambitious, but then again, he was a Gryffindor, and it isn't something you have in your blood, look at Parvati and Padma. So he still has to show us something. But the real courage could be that of abandoning his own family. You can't call it exactly courage, but.....
Am I making sense?
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Post by Natz on Nov 27, 2003 15:57:55 GMT -5
Spoliers I don't think i like the idea of charlie going over to the dark side. Anyway wasn't he back from romanina in book five because Bill said he had a desk job. I do think there is a possibility of him going out with fleur though.
Anyway back to the topic of percy and harry. Percy never really liked harry but i think as the years went on the dislike grew as he broke so many rules and percy disapproved of this.
Then in book five it got even worse where he suggested that Ron should sever ties with harry because he was always a bad influence?
The thing is if percy hated harry so much how come he was glad that he came into gryffindor in the first place? Or was he just glad to have harry in his house because he was famous and only for that reason.
I don't think i could ever suspect dumbledore of being a dark wizard because if he was then the whole wizarding world would loose control over the dark side as dumbledore is the only one who can control voldermort. I think in the last book dumbledore was acting a little weird because he was trying to protect harry and prove fudge wrong.
Hermione you are making sense and i never thought of it like that but i don't think that abandoning his own family would be the type of courage that gryffindor would look for.
Do you think Percy requested to go into gryffindor through the sorting hat? Or can the sorting hat see into the future?
I think that percy could go over to the dark side if abandoning his family is the kind of courage he has then he will probably see going the way that none of them have gone before as courage.
I hope this post makes sense.
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Post by En on Nov 28, 2003 19:52:26 GMT -5
I do think Zephyr's right that standing up for your convictions takes a kind of courage... look at Neville in his first year, winning the house comp by sticking up to his friends. So in a way, Percy is acting like a Gryffindor.
But I also think that walking out on people because you disagree with them is not as courageous as staying and at least taking the time to know for sure why they think what they think. So in that way, Percy is a very young Gryffindor -- one who hasn't learned which convictions are worth walking out on a family for (and I don't think there are very many of those).
And I also think that disagreeing with people because you don't like their values is not brave at all. Percy is really disagreeing with his family because he doesn't appreciate his father's values -- Arther would rather do work he loves and spend lots of time with his family than work late hours and do things he doesn't like and get loads of money. I'm not sure Percy completely realises that he actually wants the same things the Order does -- for people to be safe -- and is just going about it all wrong because he doesn't want to be poor anymore.
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Post by Natz on Nov 29, 2003 7:00:37 GMT -5
I agree with En that it was disgraceful the way that percy behaved and that just because he didn't want to be poor anymore constituted a reason for walking out on his family.
I think in the beggining that Percy simply worked more hours because he admired his boss and enjoyed the work he was doing and towards the end he thought that the more hours he worked the better chance he would have of being promoted. Then there was that fiasco of percy not realising that crouch was working for voldermort which made his position in the ministry a bit uncertain but you have to question fudge here why did he promote percy?
Personally i think fudge promoted percy because he knew that it was easy to influence his decisions. In other words brainwash him
Standing up to your friends is a form of gryffindor bravery but walking on your family is defiently not because as soon as students set foot in hogwarts they are taught the values of family through their houses and to stick by them.
I think that since percy is so easily brainwashed by fudge of all people there is more than an outside chance that percy will go over to voldermort because of his ambition and distain of his father.
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Post by hermoine on Nov 29, 2003 11:49:29 GMT -5
I think at first Percy was pleased with Harry, first because he was the famous Harry Potter, second, he hadn't broken rules yet, so....
I agree with Natz, that yeah it's sort of Fudge brainwashed Percy.
Oh ,that Charlie thing. I don't think he'd ever go bad. And wasn't it Bill that Fleur liked?
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Post by Natz on Nov 29, 2003 11:58:45 GMT -5
Oops yes it was Bill i really need to re read the books at some point.
I don't think charlie will go bad although it would give a nice twist to the story. I really think that no one in the family takes after Percy that much because most of them are strong willed.
Anyway what if fudge manages to convinve percy that voldermort isn't back and then you know who manages to convince percy it would be a good idea to join him because then he will have access to all the power in the world.
Do you think that Percy would buy this?
I'm not so sure about Percy recently though i think that if he is brainwashed that easily by an incompetant twit then it is rather worrying and it is becoming doubtful that he will return to his family.
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Post by hermoine on Nov 29, 2003 12:10:16 GMT -5
I just thought of somehting. You know that wizard families are inter-related. What if the Weasleys were related to people like the Malfoys, and Percy turned out something like that?
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Post by Natz on Nov 29, 2003 13:10:35 GMT -5
I think the weaslys are probably related to the malfoys because all the pure blood families are interlinked but as sirus said in the last book that they are blood traitors which could explain why draco is so horrible to ron.
Thats a good point hermione this could be where percy is getting these ideas from as lucius malfoy was in the ministry?
Lets hope the fact that someone with more power than him has been put in azakaban helps him realise the mistake he has made.
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Post by hermoine on Nov 30, 2003 10:11:10 GMT -5
Actually Natz, what I meant was this. If you base on the fact that the Weasleys are related to people like the Malfoys, then couldn't it be that maybe a part of Percy is good, and a part of him has some Slyhterin blood in him? That would explain why he's sooo ambitious.
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Post by Natz on Nov 30, 2003 10:37:36 GMT -5
Thats a really good point hermione and i agree with you on this because each of the weaslys are ambitious in their own way. Ron we saw from the first book wants to live up to the high standards all his brothers have set before him while they were at Hogwarts and the others are ambitious in not so open ways until the time is right for them to show such as Ginny.
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Post by hermoine on Nov 30, 2003 10:49:09 GMT -5
I don't see Ginny ambitious you know? I mean she wasn't like Ron, I never heard her grumble, and she had her own ways to act. Remember, like she used to practice quidditch on her own. It doesn't actually mean she's ambitious, more like wants to show her bor's what she can do.
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