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Post by hermoine on Sept 7, 2004 6:22:10 GMT -5
See, Herm, actually, the "real" Harry and Herm is... both sets of Harry and Herm that are present at the same time. They're both Harry and Hermione, but just one is an earlier version and one is a later version. You can tell which one is the later version because they have memories of the earlier events and different intentions and knowledge and stuff like that about what they have to do. So there is no concept of the "real" H&H, because both of them are just as real. You know, I'm thinking that if the time turner thing stuffed up and they actually saw each other, then what would happen? Well, you do have a point there. Guess I hadn't noticed that. I suppose it is a good point, because then, Ha2 and He2 might not have got back to the Hospital Wing on time. I wonder what would happen if they hadn't done it on time? They'd be lost in time or something?
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Post by KoNeko on Sept 8, 2004 7:09:10 GMT -5
Or maybe it will be impossible for them to have such accidents, because then at a certain time they both will and will not be in the hospital wing. So maybe even if they tripped over, there will be something that stops them from having serious accidents that would contradict the rest of the story.
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Post by hermoine on Sept 8, 2004 8:07:06 GMT -5
Yes, but do you remember what Dumbledore told Hermione? That they must return on time or else?
I have also been reading COS lately, and when I came to the part when Riddle shows Harry his memory, I was reminded of this topic. I know it is probably not possible, but the way Riddle showed Harry the night he caught Hagrid, is like going back in time. I am aware that it has nothing to do with the timeturner because he couldn't be seen. More like the pensieve.
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Post by Phoenix on Sept 8, 2004 19:29:30 GMT -5
ok just so you know, i haven't read all of the replies since I last posted, so I don't know where you guys are at, but i don't have time to read them all and i want to say something. i'm way back on pg 2 just so you know.
to whoever said the think about riddle having been around for ages and harry is now(don't remember who said it) i think dumbledore could have done that on purpose so that they wouldn't be at school together. that could get kind of awkward. and i agree with you word, that JKR did make the point that harry and riddle are very diffrent despite their similiarties. but that doesn't mean they couldn't be the same person. changing one thing in voldemorts past, such that he grew up with the dursleys instead of at an orphanage could change everthing. also, dumbledore would be watching to make sure that harry didn't make the same mistakes or choices that riddle did.
by the way, in the book, they never saw buckbeak die. they were within earshot because scabbers was being difficult, but they didn't see anything.
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Post by hermoine on Sept 9, 2004 7:15:37 GMT -5
I saw the movie again yesterday.....guess Izzy ain't the only one with a *cough*that type of*cough*copy.
I was looking very very closely to the time turner scene and everything, and when MacNair swings his axe, all you see are the pumpkins. Buckbeak was lying low on the floor, so you can't see him against the huge pumpkins. They thought that maybe by doing it that way, they kind of might leave the time turner scene good.
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Post by Phoenix on Sept 9, 2004 12:31:30 GMT -5
I suppose it is a good point, because then, Ha2 and He2 might not have got back to the Hospital Wing on time. I wonder what would happen if they hadn't done it on time? They'd be lost in time or something?
well, if they hadn't made it back in time dumbledore would have locked them out of the hospital wing and madame pomfrey would have come out and seen that they weren't there. then when snape and fudge came down after discovering that sirius had escaped they would have found harry and hermione outside the ward and snape's accusation that they had something to do with sirius's escape would have seemed highly plausible.
and personally, i think they completely killed the time turner scene, and pretty much everything else, in the movie.
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Post by KoNeko on Sept 10, 2004 0:20:50 GMT -5
Yes, but do you remember what Dumbledore told Hermione? That they must return on time or else? Yeah, I know that, but I think what Rubes was saying was that even if they tripped over or something, SOMETHING would have happened such that they couldn't break their legs or be late to the hosptial or something.
But the whole thing is, if they WERE left out of the hospital wing, then you get your logical contradiction. When Madam Pomfrey comes to check on the beds, are they, or are they not in them? It makes no sense to say that they both are and they aren't.
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Post by Rubes on Sept 12, 2004 19:58:35 GMT -5
If they had broken their legs, they wouldn't have been able to throw the stones through the window....or save Buckbeak....or save Sirius. And that would have just been weird
Ooooh. Herm has an illegal copy
EDIT ~ Nah, that was my insanely bad typing herm
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Post by hermoine on Sept 13, 2004 2:17:14 GMT -5
Yeah, I suppose that's what would have happened.
An illegal cop? Oh, I get it. Yeah. Hehe, sneaky me.
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Post by Phoenix on Sept 20, 2004 11:44:00 GMT -5
all right, i have a new question thats completely unrelated to PoA. I was reading Ootp and something occured to me. If only Harry or Voldemort could take the Prophecy, why didn't Harry just put it back on the shelf and then tried to escape? the Death Eaters wouldn't have been able to take it down would they?
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Post by hermoine on Sept 20, 2004 12:11:06 GMT -5
Yes but who says Voldemort himself wouldn't have come as he did in the end? Besides, now I'm thinking about it, isn't it possible to summon the prophecy and hold it with a piece of cloth or something? You wouldn't be touching it.
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Post by Phoenix on Sept 26, 2004 17:46:37 GMT -5
it was if anyone but harry or voldemort took it down they would go mad. so they still would have gone insane even if they weren't actually touching it. and you're right voldemort may have come in the end and taken it if harry had put it back. but didn't it say in the book that he came because all the members of the order showed up? they wouldn't have come if harry and the others had gotten out of there.
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Post by hermoine on Sept 27, 2004 13:03:12 GMT -5
I wonder what would have happened if they had had a timeturner. They might have taken the risk of going back before they had gone to the Ministry, and tried to force themselves not to go and Harry that Sirius was all right. I mean, Harry and Hermione already had experiences with the timeturner. They could have tried again, not involving the others in the business since they wouldn't know what to do. So when they meet their past selves, at least the Harry and Hermione who did go to the Ministry might understand. The party could probably be all halted from going and the Order alerted about what was going on.
Does that make sense?
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Post by Phoenix on Sept 28, 2004 11:44:32 GMT -5
yeah, i get what you're saying. but i'm thinking that what wiht the state harry was in at that point, after all the delays because of umbridge and stuff, he would have cracked if he saw a himself come walking up to him. like not gone crazy or anything, but starting hexing himself because he thought it was another trick of voldemorts or something.
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Post by hermoine on Sept 28, 2004 13:13:34 GMT -5
You're right. That's what would have happened probably.
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