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Post by hermoine on Apr 7, 2005 6:06:15 GMT -5
Hmmm, I read that Schiavo was in what the courts called a "Yeah, I heard she died too. You know what though, apparently Michael Schiavo kicked her parents out of Terri's hospital room a few minutes before she died... now I don't necessarily agree with what her parents said, but that's pretty low in my book. Surely the parties concerned could put their differences aside for just a few minutes so everyone that had a role to play in her life could be there when she died? I don't know but I was pretty annoyed at Michael when I heard about that. He did what?! I know he was the husband, and Terry spent the last few years before the accident in his company, but really! Her parents are family too!
I also read the news last time that Michael's decision passed yet again, and Terry was cremated. I dunno, but, if Terry was a Roman Catholic, I think she'd have liked a proper burial, like many other people. It kind of gives me the impression that Michael wanted to end this once and for all, and by cremating her body, it's like she's really gone forever, and won't have to go to the cemetery once in a while, and pay her a respectful visit. I might be wrong in judging in this manner of course.
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Post by Sarah on Apr 9, 2005 21:14:09 GMT -5
on CNN, (or Good-Morning America...or one of those national news channels : they had said taht Michael did have her cremated, but he still had plans to bury her remains in their family plot. So she will have a headstone and a burial place...idk how they might manage this, though. When my great-aunt died of breast cancer, she was cremated and my great-uncle set up a kind of shrine to her, with her urn in this glass case surrounded by bricks and fake flowers. He goes up there every once in a while and places real flowers on the case. And, mind you, so does his wife of almost one year. She has the utmost respect for my late-aunt, and is the sweetest woman i've ever met.
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Post by KoNeko on Apr 9, 2005 22:59:58 GMT -5
I suppose you could just bury the ashes or something, although I don't know if that means you bury the ashes or the urn in which the ashes are kept.
I want to know what her parents think of this!
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Post by Sarah on Apr 30, 2005 19:45:55 GMT -5
as do i! Do you think they expressed their feelings anywhere? Perhaps i might find something on the net if i look...
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Post by KoNeko on May 2, 2005 4:30:04 GMT -5
Now, for a new topic riddled with controversy...
Should LG be allowed to have an abortion?
I found this snippet in the news today, but those of you in the US might have more information about it. Please share what you have, because I'm really interested in following this case!
----------------- Florida court refuses abortion to 13-year-old By Jacqui Goddard Miami May 2, 2005
A pregnant 13-year-old has been blocked from having an abortion after state authorities in Florida won an emergency injunction against her, arguing that she was too immature to make such a decision.
The girl, identified only as "LG", had been due to have her 13-week pregnancy terminated last week, even lining up a social worker to give her a lift to the clinic, but was thwarted in court.
"Why can't I make my own decision? It's my business," she told circuit judge Ronald Alvarez when he granted a temporary injunction for LG's psychological evaluation.
"It would make no sense to have the baby," said LG, who became pregnant after running away from her care home in January. "I'm 13, I'm in a shelter and I can't get a job."
At the heart of her case is a wrangle over whether the wishes of the state, LG's legal guardian, outweighs her constitutional right to choose.
The Department of Children and Families, the state's social services wing, points to a Florida statute that states: "In no case shall the department consent to sterilisation, abortion, or termination of life support."
"We have to follow the law," said Marilyn Munoz, a DCF spokeswoman. "We can't consent, no matter what."
The girl has appealed against the injunction, supported by the American Civil Liberties Union. Howard Simon, the union's executive director in Florida, said that forcing LG to continue an unwanted pregnancy against her wishes was "not only illegal and unconstitutional, it is cruel".
The case has reopened the debate on abortion - one of America's most divisive social and political issues - and comes as lawmakers at both state and federal level move to restrict juveniles' rights to have abortions.
Last week, Congress adopted a bill making it a federal crime to help a pregnant teenager to cross state lines to get an abortion.
Jeb Bush, Governor of Florida and brother of the President, once described himself as "the most pro-life governor in history". One of his spokesmen said: "The Governor feels LG's case is sad and tragic and will be settled in the court."
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So... what do you think?
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Post by hermoine on May 3, 2005 14:16:14 GMT -5
I think it's completely....*tries to find a word for someone, so, vile*
I know this doesn't sound right, but she finds an opposition to the fact that she can't get an abortion, but I highly doubt she found an opposition to whomever is the father of the child. Ironic.
Plus, if the child is born, can't she give it up for adoption? We don't have abortion here, and I hope we never will, but in such cases, the children are left in institutes and such.
I also agree about the fact that she's still too immature to decide. How can she decide what to do with the life of another person?
Sorry, I tend to rant a lot in such topics.
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Post by KoNeko on May 4, 2005 3:23:01 GMT -5
Hmmm. I tend to agree that she wouldn't be capable of looking after the child. She's a child herself, she's in a shelter, has no job, etc. etc. Even if she were to have the kid how would she raise it?
However, this is the very reason that I think, in these sorts of circumstances, abortions SHOULD be allowed. Think of how much strain there would be on LG's psychological and physical state (come on, at 13 you're still growing and everything) and the cost to the government for her hospital bills and raising the child, putting it through adoption etc.. plus the strain on adoption agencies and child welfare is already so great as it is...
Personally I think it's ridiculous that she is basically being forced to have a child at her age. I mean, at the very least she shold be given the choice as to whether she wants to have the child or not. In this case, clearly she doesn't want it. Can you imagine having a child at 13?
(Don't worry, as you can see, I tend to rant as well in these topics!!!)
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Post by hermoine on May 4, 2005 3:45:04 GMT -5
There are students in my school who have children at that age. They usually return to school after a year, probably because it would be against the law if they didn't.
True she has the right for choice, but she should have realised what she was doing in the very beginning, before she became pregnant. I was going to suggest going in a home or something, but I see she had run away from the one she was in. What I wonder is, why did she run away?
Of course we live in totally different societies, so disagreements are bound to arise.
Do you know if the government pays for her abortion, if she should have it done? I don't think she's in a state to pay for it, and I really doubt that it would be free of charge for everyone.
Also, if you allow for a 13 year old child to have an abortion, then you can also allow those who became pregnant as a result of sexual violation(I can't remember the right word for it. I'm sure there is one.) But then, if you allow innocent human beings to be killed, then why not keep on going with the death penatly, because the people in jail also have a reason to be there. Some have killed, and the dead need to be justified...
(Sorry I don't want to sound rude to you, I've just been feeling kidna restles lately what with my exams taking forever. )
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Post by Isbister15 on May 7, 2005 21:53:12 GMT -5
I meant to post up the articles on this situation that appeared in my local paper, but I never got around to it. Sorry guys. Apparently, the girl was allowed to have an abortion after passing a psychological exam. As for Hermoine's question, I'm assuming the government did pay for it since she was in state care anyway. I don't really know how I feel about this case. I kinda think that it was okay to allow the abortion, since she is just a child herself and carrying a baby is a major physical task, even for a full grown adult. But I also think that after granting her an abortion, perhaps she should have been implanted with that five year birth control device (IUD?) to avoid a repeat of this event in the near future.
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Post by Sarah on May 8, 2005 16:07:08 GMT -5
They allowed it, then?
I'm not sure where I stand on this matter....I'm against abortion, but I'm for her being able to make her own decisions. I mean, she made the decision to have sex, did she not? She knew the consequences, knew the possibilities, knew to use protection (but did she?), so why can't she make her own decision? I believe that she should have to go through with the birth as a sort of punishment for doing that at such a young age, but since she's getting an abortion, she's getting the easy way out. tut, tut. Kids these days... Sadly, at my high school, there are 9 pregnant freshmen. These girls are 14-15! Oh my gosh! This infuriates me to the point of losing it! Do they not have any home training, or what? I understand if it was a rape or something, but 9? And that's just the freshmen class! *fumes*
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Post by Lianne on May 8, 2005 16:13:02 GMT -5
A pregnant 13-year-old has been blocked from having an abortion after state authorities in Florida won an emergency injunction against her, arguing that she was too immature to make such a decision.
THAT Makes me mad. I feel that anyone should be allowed to have an abortion if they feel it is the right choice. It is her body. And yes she messed up. It is not fair to her that they are holding her form having one.
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Post by hermoine on May 9, 2005 5:38:52 GMT -5
I'm not sure where I stand on this matter....I'm against abortion, but I'm for her being able to make her own decisions. I mean, she made the decision to have sex, did she not? She knew the consequences, knew the possibilities, knew to use protection (but did she?), so why can't she make her own decision? I believe that she should have to go through with the birth as a sort of punishment for doing that at such a young age, but since she's getting an abortion, she's getting the easy way out. tut, tut. Kids these days... Well, actually Ice, you cannot exactly say if she even knew that stuff. I mean, sure you expect her to know about them, but there are people who don't. If you lack the education, and have nobody to teach you, then you remain ignorant. I just thought about what you said Ice about the decision she took about having sex. So, she ran away from her care home right? Where could a 13 year old girl find food and money to buy food without stealing, unless perhaps, she reverts to a particular line of "work" called prostitution?
I think if she had gone on with the birth, she wouldn't have seen it as a punishment really. She'd just have gone on and on complaining about how the state wouldn't allow her to have an abortion, dump the child when it is born, and just carry on with her life, obliterating from her mind the whole idea of having once been pregnant.
Coincidentally, last week, the government here reenforced the law about illegal abortion. Just thought I'd add it in.
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Post by Sarah on May 12, 2005 21:24:10 GMT -5
[quote author=hermoine board=lc thread=1111996803 post=1115635132 I think if she had gone on with the birth, she wouldn't have seen it as a punishment really. She'd just have gone on and on complaining about how the state wouldn't allow her to have an abortion, dump the child when it is born, and just carry on with her life, obliterating from her mind the whole idea of having once been pregnant. [/quote]
Now I doubt that. She's 13 for heaven's sakes! How can she forget that she was pregnant, especially when she turned it into a big, media, controversial matter? No one forgets that they were pregnant, NO ONE (except, perhaps, those with amnesia or Alzheimer's...). Sure, she'd continue to complain, but once she had that baby, it would be a whole other matter. She'd become a mother to it, become attached to it, love it...unless she planned on giving it up for adoption. I just....*major sigh* Does she not have any home training or common sense? Ahh! Maybe it's the way I've been raised, but......GEESH!
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Post by hermoine on May 13, 2005 2:11:46 GMT -5
That's exactly it Ice. I don't want to seem like I have anything wrong with single mothers or like that, because I don't, but there must be some reason for single homeless mothers to abandon their children, like in garbage cans isn't there? Now it may be because they're selfish and more inclined to save their own lives, then juggle both, or because they just don't know.
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Post by KoNeko on May 13, 2005 20:49:47 GMT -5
I really don't think she's going to forget that she was pregnant, especially if this is the first time she's been pregnant and because this is so swamped in controversy. I also don't think she would have been able to dump the child following its birth (again, due to the close scruitny of the media... but thankfully that's not an issue now because the courts reversed the decision of the human services people).
Again, sure, she may have made a mistake but I just think if she was denied the choice to have an abortion then the punishment doesn't fit the crime.
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