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Post by Ersade on Jan 22, 2003 20:00:11 GMT -5
I adored both Moulin Rouge and the Dead Poet's Society, although there are many movies that I love, from Disney animations to gory sagas, to stories of true love and of course good ol' Harry Potter and LOTR Ah yes, and I've seen most of the recent movies so if anyone has any questions about any of them, message me
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Post by Motley the Mercenary on Jan 22, 2003 23:25:04 GMT -5
i love dead poets society!
lessee... i liked... unbreakable, stargate, mystery science theater 3000: the movie, et, star trek: the wrath of khan and star trek: the search for spock, dune, chariots of fire, casablanca, courage under fire, schindler's list, and oh yes... don't laugh... i really did like amistad
disney movies, i don't like so much, just because... how come the girls never have mothers? ariel, pocahontas, belle, they had fathers but no mothers. snow white and cinderella only had stepmothers. what's up with that?
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Post by Cinnia on Jan 24, 2003 1:45:20 GMT -5
Its makes the charcters vunerable and loveable. It makes them... approchable you know? Your heart feels for them but they are so strong and beautiful that you cant be like "oo poor misguided soul" type thing.
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Post by Katarina on Jan 24, 2003 17:12:45 GMT -5
Hum, if I remember correctly, Ariel was "a poor unfourtante soul"
Besides adding to the character, it probably also uncomplicates things by having less characters to get in the way. Cinderella and Snow White had step mothers because step-mothers are supposedly "evil." If Snow White's mother was trying to knock off her daughter so she could be the fairest one of all, do you think it would've gone over so well with the audience?
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Post by Sphi on Jan 24, 2003 20:37:28 GMT -5
I adored both Moulin Rouge and the Dead Poet's Society, although there are many movies that I love, from Disney animations to gory sagas, to stories of true love and of course good ol' Harry Potter and LOTR Moulin Rouge and DPS are two of my most favourite movies!! Heck, I was just rewatching Moulin Rouge today. Such a great movie... And some Disney movies are really good. I especially like Beauty and the Beast, Lion King, and Toy Story. Anyways, I agree that without mothers, the Disney girl characters seem more helpless. Mothers usually are the compassionate, loving ones.
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Post by Ersade on Jan 25, 2003 1:54:15 GMT -5
Yeah I just re-watched Moulin Rouge last weekend.. back-to-back with Romeo and Juliet. Baz Luhrman is such a great director! I also love Amelie, and my favourite scary movie is The Ring. It scared me so much in theatres, I still can't slip a tape into the VCR without cringing. As for Disney movies, Lilo & Stitch, The Lion King, and Beauty and the Beast are my favourites.. Spirit: Stallion of the Cimmarron was good too, but if I remember correctly it's not a Disney movie. I also love Adam Sandler comedies (Big Daddy was awesome!!!), historical stuff, action movies.. I'll watch pretty much anything
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Post by KoNeko on Jan 25, 2003 4:34:49 GMT -5
Amelie! I love that movie! It's supposed to be a romantic comedy and I generally hate romantic comedies but I think it's quirky enough to pass the bar.
The best movie I've seen so far this year is "Bowling for Columbine". It's not a movie as such, because it's a documentary, but I saw it at the cinemas so it counts. It was smart and loud and provocative but it also made me cry (more out of outrage at the stupidity and arrogance of the USA than anything ) and think and yeah. You can't get much better with documentaries. And now Charlton Heston gives me the willies.
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Post by Jet Black on Jan 25, 2003 9:45:23 GMT -5
Jet's own list of favourite movies.. ;D
The Princess Diaries A Beautiful Mind (don't ask me, I just like it) Lilo and Stitch (those who have read the Disney Movies thread will know what an obsession I have with it) ;D Miss Congenality The Parent Trap (the most recent version) Mr. Deeds (hilarious...well, IMHO) Both the LOTR movies (of course..) Both the HP movies (although the second one was better)
And a few more, but I can't think of them right now..
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Post by Sphi on Jan 26, 2003 1:16:59 GMT -5
A Beautiful Mind is such a touching movie! You don't really need an explanation for why you like it. I thought Russell Crowe did a great job...and that he definitely should've won Best Actor.
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Post by Motley the Mercenary on Jan 26, 2003 17:12:13 GMT -5
If Snow White's mother was trying to knock off her daughter so she could be the fairest one of all, do you think it would've gone over so well with the audience?
not the stepmothers?
eh, i do see what you all are saying about keeping the character list short and providing a point of sympathy but... there are so many disneay movies with no mother figure. so many. that's what's weird.
i really want to see a beautiful mind. had you seen rain man? it's about another math genius who was autistic or something... that movie makes me cry. it's so good too, dustin hoffman is a total genius.
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Post by coldmercurywitch on Jan 26, 2003 21:41:44 GMT -5
i loved it when they made contact into a movie. jodi foster was perfect for the part too. i really like her, she's an awesome actor.
i think the reason there aren't really any mother figures in alot of disney movies is because alot of the stories are old faerie tales and such. alot of those stories were written when it was common for people to lose mothers, particularly during childbirth, so it was also common for people to have step mothers. for that reason, people would have related to the main, motherless characters more. at least that's my thoughts on it.
but in more recent times there have been more mothers. the dalmations had a mother, so did simba, bambi did....or at least to start with, andy in toy story has a mother, and so does the girl in stitch, and jim in treasure planet.
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Post by Ersade on Jan 27, 2003 0:26:23 GMT -5
The thing that bothers me about Disney movies is not the lack of motherly figures, but rather that they are making sequels to all of their movies. The Little Mermaid 2, Lady and the Tramp 2, The Jungle Book 2, Cinderella 2... Why all the sequels? I personally like the originals the best, especially since many of the stories that Disney based their movies on never had sequels. In a lot of the sequels that they've been making recently, the original voices of the characters and/or the writers who re-wrote the story for the movie are either dead or long-retired.
One other Disney complaint is that in a lot of these stories, such as their version of the story of Pocahontas, or their adaption of The Hunchback of Notre Dame, their versions of the story aren't history accurate at all, or close to the actual story. Even the Princess Diaries, which was a big success (I personally loved it ) showed some major differences to the series of books by the same name, such as the fact that in the books Mia's father was still alive and Michael never found out about Mia's feelings for him until the third book.
I like the creativity of the Disney crew, and I loved a lot of the movies that I later found to be historically inaccurate. I think I've even liked a couple of the sequels. I just would think that Disney would want to make up new story lines instead of re-using old ones for the new generation of kids who never saw the original Fox and the Hound or Jungle Book.
As for the lack of motherly figures, I agree with Cinnia in that it makes the characters more vulnerable & loveable. And lately it hasn't been so much the lack of mothers but also the lack of fathers or parents in general. In the Princess Diaries, Mia's father was deceased. And in Lilo & Stitch, both Lilo's parents were dead and she was being raised by her sister.
Anyway, regardless of the faults Disney has they have been bringing smiles to childrens faces for a long time. And I guess that can make us overlook the historical inaccuracies and lack of parental figures. Because as long as children love them and can buy their merchandise, and girls spend recesses pretending they're princesses, we're stuck with them. Not that that's a terrible thing anyway.
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Post by coldmercurywitch on Jan 27, 2003 2:55:50 GMT -5
One other Disney complaint is that in a lot of these stories, such as their version of the story of Pocahontas, or their adaption of The Hunchback of Notre Dame, their versions of the story aren't history accurate at all, or close to the actual story. Even the Princess Diaries, which was a big success (I personally loved it ) showed some major differences to the series of books by the same name, such as the fact that in the books Mia's father was still alive and Michael never found out about Mia's feelings for him until the third book. i think that legally disney has to change stories slightly to be able to put the disney name on the product they make. alot of the stories they use are faerie tales and such written by others, adn therefoe, they have to change the story enough to get the majority of the profits themself. or something like that. that's why that always have "based on the story/book/novel/ by such-and-such".
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Post by Jet Black on Jan 27, 2003 21:49:38 GMT -5
A Beautiful Mind is such a touching movie! You don't really need an explanation for why you like it. I thought Russell Crowe did a great job...and that he definitely should've won Best Actor. I agree, I almost cried at one part..anyway, the show was fantastic! But you should know Russell Crowe's real personality..you won't want him to win any awards after that. I guess that's why they call it acting..
Now that I think about it, when I watch certain Disney movies again (I watched Sleeping Beauty that day), it seems a *bit* too soppy and sickly-sweet for my liking (No offense to anyone). I think it's because I've been watching too many real live movies. I have to get thrown back into fantasy someday. Anyone else experienced this?
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Post by kaoru on Jan 31, 2003 3:18:39 GMT -5
I never saw A Beautiful Mind. I've meant to rent it from time to time, but I always keep on renting something...cheerer.
My friend Joana saw it on the theatre and said it was too... deep or something, and that she didn't like it much. She said that they made it too complex or something. Something that interested her in the beginning but made her lose her attention in the second half. I can't really explain it. I have the Portuguese word for it, but that wouldn't help.
I like Disney movies. I really don't feel like analysing them all over, and wonder why they don't have mothers or anything, I consider that a waste of time. Like, why do you care? Just watch the movie that's all.
I watch too many real life stuff too, but I still keep watching my Disney faves from time to time. And yes, I'm going on 17.
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