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Post by Ritsu on Jul 6, 2003 10:35:02 GMT -5
While I was reading the book, I couldn't help being angry at Percy and feeling like slap him in the face. But then something came up to my mind...
... what if Percy'll join the Dark Side? ((This is not Star Wars ))
This occured to me because of Percy's ambition. And Lord Voldemort can give him everything Percy ever wanted if he'll be a good and devoted Death Eater. True? True. And I think we've seen that Percy can be very... ruled by his own ambition, even let his family down, even offend a boy who was his friend so that the Minister would recognize his support.
My guess is that yes, Percy'll turn into a Death Eater.
I sort of see Peter Pettigrew in Percy. It's very different, because Percy was never a moron and Percy never hung out with the best so his dumbness wouldn't be so noticed. But you see... Percy was an example to follow. But he always wanted more and more and more. Peter wanted recognition and atention, something he never had living in Sirius, Lupin and Potter's shadow. That's why he ran into Lord Voldemort. And I think that's why Percy'll run to Lord Voldemort too.
Am I making a point? Ugh. I hate explaining myself.
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Post by En on Jul 6, 2003 15:59:54 GMT -5
Good points all... I think it will come down to the question of respect. Like the goblins, Percy wants certain freedoms, and if he doesn't think he'll get them by fighting on the side of the Order, but will from Voldemort, he very well might go over.
Percy wants respect and money. Is he smart enough to know that Voldemort will never really give him that, just the illusion of it, just for Voldemort's own sake? He's stupid enough to think Fudge actually wanted him as a Junior Assistant....
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Post by Rubes on Jul 6, 2003 18:52:16 GMT -5
Well, first off, I reckon the Ministry will use Percy as a puppet! ((I like the puppet idea )) Maybe he will even get all the way up to Minister!
So, if Percy becomes Minister, will Voldemort try and take control of him? Will controlling Percy be the same as controlling the Ministry? Or will the Death Eaters in the Ministry attempt to find out who tells Percy what to do, make them a Death Eater, and control the Ministry that way?
Percy is just a voice; The brains are elsewhere in the Ministry. So, will Voldemort control the voice, or control the brain, which then controls the voice?
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Post by En on Jul 8, 2003 10:17:11 GMT -5
And here we have how Percy might end up redeeming himself -- he hates the thought of being out of control, right? Like, he really loved being Prefect and Head Boy, and he didn't want to give up his chance to do Crouch's job even though he really should have, and he resents the reputation his father has in the ministry because he wants control over his own reputation -- so if he figures out that the Ministry is just using him, or if Voldemort uses an Imperius curse on him, then Percy might catch on and get mad enough to fight.
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Post by Natz on Aug 16, 2003 11:17:13 GMT -5
Well i'm not sure because there is a danger with percy who likes to be in control that the pressure will be too great for percy to handle and end up going over to the dark side after all.
The only reedeming thing is that if he patches up his relationship with his family because then they will help him to see his true side and the falseness of the ministry.
At the moment though the probility of percy becoming a death eater is very high. Although those in control do not like to be controlled there still is hope.
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Post by Calantha on Aug 17, 2003 12:04:55 GMT -5
I'm hoping Percy will join Voldemort in a sense, like he'll come over to his side, but never fully be there, which would create the whole inner-struggle for him thing. And then, one of his family memebers will come into some near-death experience and Percy will need to make a decision, and he will turn to his family. Or at least I hope that happens...because I don't want him to become a part of Voldemort's followers...and if they have trials at the end...I don't want to see the Weasely's go through that. Although it would be interesting, I guess.
I don't think the question so much in my mind is if Percy will join Lord Voldemort, but stay with Lord Voldemort.
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Post by Natz on Aug 18, 2003 11:41:17 GMT -5
The near death experience of mr weasly in book 5 did not change perceys mind about his family and he did not even come to visit his father while he was in hospital. If he joins lord voldermort he will probably stay because if they leave he haunts them although percey could be the next snape come to his senses much later in life. What worries me is the underhanded way he tried to persuade ron to give up his friendship with harry
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Post by En on Aug 18, 2003 13:53:12 GMT -5
It was underhanded, but I think Percy really believed he was helping his little brother. And Percy would have known that Bill and Charlie would never agree with him, and that Fred and George would never take him seriously; so he would have picked Ron and hoped he could bring Ron around to the "truth."
In a way, it shows that family is still important to Percy. He's just very misguided about what kind of acceptance matters. He thinks he wants people to think he's right and powerful, and he doesn't understand yet that being right and being powerful never last; it's being accepted and cared for, mistakes and flaws and all, that can sustain a person through life. And that's what being a Weasley is about.
Now we just have to see how far Percy will get before he realises there's no place like home
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Post by S.S Tigress on Aug 18, 2003 14:40:06 GMT -5
I feel like there are three groups now.
The Harry version of what's going on: that Voldemort is back and they need to do something.
The Fuge version of what's going on: that Voldemort is not back and there's no need to panic.
The Voldemort version: pretty much the evil side.
Percy just falls under the Fuge catagory because he wants to please the ministry which gets him respect. I think he likes that because he doesn't get respect from his siblings who don't listen to him and make fun of him. Plus respect can lead to power and he likes power.
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Post by Drgnphre on Aug 20, 2003 22:19:35 GMT -5
Poor Percy. He isn't very bright is he?
How about this???
Percy turns into a Snape of sorts and goes to work for Good Ole Voldie... THEN before he gets his little self into more trouble than he already will be, he reverts, realizing that he was just a pawn and helps take down the big guy.
Percy will eventually see the evil in his ways and realize that family is more important than anything else.
Poor Percy...
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Post by Natz on Aug 22, 2003 9:28:58 GMT -5
I like your theory Drgnphre and i hope it does happen for the sake of percys safety and his family. What i don't get is that after spending seven years at hogwarts why does he not trust dumbledore because in that time he has witnessed events that should make him trust dumbledore.
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Post by Rubes on Aug 22, 2003 9:52:55 GMT -5
I don't think Percy will intentionally become a Death Eater; He knows the difference between good and bad. I think . He just wants to stick with the side that will gain him more of an advantage. So he sticks with the Ministry, and Fudge, because it's more advantageous for him. Maybe he has seen what Dumbledore can do. But Dumbledore is an Headmaster, not the Minister for Magic.
Percy is very "obvious" where he is. He wants everybody to know that he is with Fudge. Now, if I was Mr. Voldemort, I'd want to get a hold of anybody near the current Minister, and get a hold of anybody who could be a Minister in the future. Spy on the current Minister, put in a new Minister that he controls, and he has the Ministry! Percy could be the replacement. ((Go Ministry Puppet Go!))
Mr. Voldemort has already divided the Ministry; it wouldn't be too hard for him to get the leader's of each faction under his control. Whoever wins will be his, so he'll get the Ministry under his control. Scary Percy might try to pull out by then, but he also might try to lead his own group. If he sees an opporunity, he might take it for the power of being Minister.
So, what I think I am trying to say is that Percy will only join Voldemort if Voldemort makes him join; Percy wouldn't turn bad just for the fun of it. The reasons why Voldemort would want Percy are his closeness to Fudge and the possibility of him becoming Minister in the future.
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Post by En on Aug 22, 2003 10:10:02 GMT -5
Percy knows Dumbledore is powerful. (So did Tom Riddle.) But Percy thinks Dumbledore's goals are in the wrong places. He has probably come to feel that Dumbledore, like Arthur, is "wasting" his talents doing something humble -- running a school -- when Dumbledore could be Minister, which Percy perceives as the highest office in Wizarding Britain.
And when Fudge started hinting that Dumbledore took that position to undermine the Ministry, Percy, who believed that all people should want power because all people should want money and advantages (like he does) thought that made sense. He probably doesn't understand why a person might be perfectly content to do something he loves rather than something that gets him loads of prestige and gold, so naturally he would be ready to believe that Dumbledore has ulterior motives, because he wouldn't get that Dumbledore runs Hogwarts because that's what Dumbledore thinks is the most noble profession in Wizarding Britain.
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Post by Natz on Aug 22, 2003 13:46:07 GMT -5
Oh dear. You mean he reconizes the fact that dumbledore is powerful but he does not reconise that he is heading the same way as tom riddle did Another possible reason to get percy to follow voldermort is to bribe him with the opportunity of wealth just as he did to wormtail. Which is what slightly worries me.
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Post by En on Aug 22, 2003 15:23:37 GMT -5
Well, and that's why I think Drgnphre is pretty much right -- what it will take to stop Percy going round the bend is to remind him that family is what matters. And maybe to show him why it's just as good to be Headmaster of Hogwarts, or even a good dad with a middling job, as it is to be Minister of Magic... and that it's no good being Minister at all if you haven't got what matters to you (security, love, family, a sense of well-being, whatever).
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