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Post by hermoine on Jun 29, 2004 7:33:37 GMT -5
Weepee!! It's official! This is the title to the next Harry Potter book! Come share your thoughts!!
JK updated her site today, and in the News Section she wrote an article saying the official name of book 6. She also added one little hint for all of us to try and figure. Who is the Half Blood Prince? Is it Harry? Nooooo. Is it Voldemort? Nooooooooooo! Then who is? How should I know!
((Is this thread too similar to the thread Book Six Rumours? If so, I'm sorry. ))
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Post by Ritsu on Jun 29, 2004 10:56:38 GMT -5
Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince? Why does it sound weird? I don't like the way it sounds at all... sounds like a kids story. "Margaret and the coloured butterfly". Gee. What worries me is how they're going to translate it.. Harry Potter e o PrÃncipe Impuro/meio sangue/sangue de lama. Can't imagine it.
Neville? I don't know, I think Neville's gonna be much credited from now on, with the prophecy and all, so maybe it's him. That explains how he started doing so well in the DA all of sudden, maybe his incapacities were just psychological.
Malfoy? Voldemort's the King, he could be the Prince, but Malfoy is pure blood, so it can't be him. Then again, Neville's a pure blood as well...
... so who? The only half-blood I can remember of is Harry.. and Hagrid. Okay, if Hagrid's gonna take some major role again, I'll be angry. He should've died *runs*
*comes back* It'll be a character we don't know about yet, I suppose. Harry's a bit too obvious... anyway, I don't care, I just hope JKR'll write something better than OoTP, that sounded more like a fanfic than a book itself. I've said once that I wasn't going to buy Book 6 and I won't. I mean, I will, I'll pre-order it as usual, but I won't open it until someone tells me if Sirius comes back or not.
Any rumours on the release date?
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Post by hermoine on Jun 29, 2004 14:42:56 GMT -5
Personally, I can't imagine the name like that. I read the book in English, it would sound waaaay too stupid in Maltese. Thank God nobody has had the wonky idea to do it in Maltese yet, and I hope they leave it that way.
Neville and Malfoy are both Pure Bloods so it can't be them.
Why don't you lie Hagrid Rita?
It could be a new character, and yet, if HBP has a connection with COS, then it could be a character from there, which doesn't lead to anywhere really. Voldemort we alreday know it can't be, Ginny and Moaning Myrtle are both girls, which could mean, come to think of it, that it could be Hagrid. Think about it, in COS we learnt about him through the Chamber of Secrets and Aragog, so we had quite a bit on him. It could be Hagrid.
Rita, I'm going to be honest with you, and am going to be the first person to answer your question. Sirius really is dead, so you can open the book.
None as of yet I'm afraid.
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Post by Ritsu on Jun 29, 2004 15:08:08 GMT -5
I know he's dead, I read his death... what I'm saying is that I won't read Book 6 unless they discover that part of him still lives. Like ghost, memory, any form, anything. Like Luna said, 'behind the veil'... I still hope.
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Post by hermoine on Jun 29, 2004 15:23:56 GMT -5
Oh I see what you mean. Well ghost, that won't happen probably. Memory, of course, you think anyone can forget about him? He's got Harry and Co., the Order, and a whole wide world of HP fans. If you mean like some kind of memoriabila, that I'm afraid not, unless the Order do something at Grimmaulds place, which I think it highly unlikely because it would sadden Harry even more.
But about the veil thing, yes, I think it's true. It's like a gateway between earth and heaven sort of. You can't see these people, because you're alive, but when you die you go to see your loved ones, which is behind the veil. Hey, I've actually said something which makes sense!
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Post by Ritsu on Jun 29, 2004 15:54:59 GMT -5
I most certainly can't. I mean, like Tom Riddle did with the diary... that sort of memory. Sirius putting a bit of himself in something so that bit still lived... and maybe... maybe then he would become alive again doing what Voldemort did and.. No.
Shush.
It's kind of sad though, that we can only see our loved ones behind the veil when we die. It could be like the Thesthrals... then Harry could see his parents and maybe talk to them. But of course Harry can also die and be with his parents as well. And I should stop picturing 100 ways for Harry to die.
About Hagrid.. he's like the kids hero. Every single kid goes like "whoa" with Hagrid. He's so nice, so clumsy just to make kids laugh, so.. ergh. I don't like Hagrid at all. He's a good friend but he's too... nice. Too stupid. I don't know, I just don't like him.
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Post by hermoine on Jun 29, 2004 16:02:49 GMT -5
Then I understood what you meant. The only thing which could have been possible was the Two-Way Mirror, which we know is pointless to hope. And yet, JK must have introduced it for some reason right?
Hmmm, maybe that's why the veil attracts people who can see Thestrals, and thus who have witnessed death. Because if our loved ones are behind it, of course we're attracted to them and we miss them. When you miss someone you long ever more to be reunited with the ones you miss, and it could be the same thing that happened to Harry and Luna in the room with the veil.
Hagrid isn't my favourite character, that's for sure, but I never saw him as a hero either. Others are saying that it's Lupin which could make sense too, since we were already talking about the Marauders, well why not continue with them. It could even be Pettigrew or Snape for all we know.
But there's still the link with COS.
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Post by Rubes on Jun 30, 2004 8:07:09 GMT -5
Hagrid could be Prince of the Giants. Who knows?
Were any of the Marauders half bloods? I reckon Peter has to do something Gryffindor-ish in Book 6. Maybe he's going to find his courage at last, stand up to Volde.
Harry is so going to bring James, Sirius and Lily back from the dead. All he has to do is find their souls, then find their bodies, and stick them together But seriously, I've heard tell that Harry does deep studies on death.
Or the Half Blood Prince could be DUmbledore aka Harry
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Post by hermoine on Jun 30, 2004 8:10:02 GMT -5
Well he could be you're right.
Lupin is half-blood, Pettigrew I don't know. But he could be.
Harry does deep studies on deaths? Please!
The Half Blood Prince isn't Harry for sure. Dumbledore? To me, it seems highly unlikely.
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Post by Ritsu on Jun 30, 2004 8:19:31 GMT -5
Or the Half Blood Prince could be DUmbledore aka Harry *tut tut* You still have that silly idea, huh? How many times do I have to tell you that HP is not Dragon Ball?
I don't think Harry'll bring them from the dead. When only the first two books were out, I heard something that they were teaching kids how to deal with death, specially kids who also lost their parents... because you know how hard it is for parents to explain death to their children and make them understand it. And HP helps them deal with it, because Harry deals with it in every book. So I guess it'd be a little contradictive to bring them to life, no? Like, if they're making kids understand death... it would make no sense, would it? Although I would like it to happen... I really do.
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Post by hermoine on Jun 30, 2004 8:23:18 GMT -5
You watch Dragon Ball Rubes?
I would like if there was more stuff on Harry's parents and all, but if even someone in a book wrote something of bringing people back from the dead, my first thought would be "That is waaay too far-fetched!" It is good to stick to reality at times, even if you're talking about magic.
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Post by Rubes on Jun 30, 2004 9:19:16 GMT -5
No Herm, I don't watch it. I used it as an analogy (which I can't remember now ) for Dumbledore-being-Harry I watched it as a kid, but I can't remember it now
It's a very simple concept.
Harry vs Volde 1
Harry wins, of course. He's a Gryff BUT! Volde, being a coward, buggers off with his Time Turner. He goes back to when he reckons Harry will be weakest; When he's a baby. Harry, realising this, goes back in time as well, to protect his baby self. However, he goes further back, to give himself more time to study Anti-Dark Arts, and establishes himself as a high profile wizard, so that he can watch over his teenage self all through his years at Hogwarts.
Volde 2 vs Baby Harry
Volde 2 somehow knocks himself out with his own spell He disappears for a while, but Volde 1 is still floating around somewhere. He doesn't even know there is a Volde 2.
Volde 2 vs First Year Harry
Loses again. Go the Gryffs!
Volde 2 vs Triwizard Harry
Makes a new body for himself etc
Volde 2 vs Harry and Dumbledore
In the Ministry, Volde 2 is actually against 2 Harry's; The original one, and Dumbledore. Loses again (Muahaha!)
Eventually, it'll get down to Volde 2 + Volde 1 vs Dumbledore + Harry.
Volde 2 is 17 years older than Volde 1. Dumbledore is 100 years older than Harry.
If Dementors can suck souls out of bodies, and Avada Kedavra can instantly kill by stealing souls, then surely souls can be put back in to a body.
Are the Creeveys Half-Bloods?
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Post by hermoine on Jun 30, 2004 10:55:30 GMT -5
A teensy weensy bit confusing there, but, hmmm, interesting concept. With a liiiittttllle flaw. Where did Harry bring the Time-Turner from?
JK already said you can't bring people back to life! I know Dementors suck your soul alone, so technically, you're still alive, although worse than dead. Still, it's not like there is some kind of vacum-cleaner of souls to suck the souls back from the dementors.
Yeah I was thinking about that too actually. They could be. Yeah I think they are! Remember in COS? Colin was all the time saying about having a picture of Harry to show to his father. So if his father hasn't heard of Harry, then that means that he's a half-blood.....if not Muggle-born?
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Post by Sphi on Jun 30, 2004 16:53:31 GMT -5
Is anyone else just a little peeved that there's no "of" in this title?
But why would you think it's Creevey to begin with? Personally, I hope the title has nothing to do with those guys.
Rubes, I know Rowling has thrown some big twists at us before (Time Turner in PoA, Polyjuice Potion in GoF, etc.), but you can't possibly be serious with that theory of yours. It would leave most of her readers dazed and confused. ...But, knowing Rowling, we shouldn't completely rule out any theory.
Okay...I think we mentioned this in some other thread first, but it would be really cool if the prince was Remus. We just recently found out he's a half-blood, for one thing. And there's also the allusion to mythology: Remus was the brother of Romulus, who became the founder of Rome, and that's sorta like royalty, isn't it? It would be nice for something good to happen to Lupin. I mean, haven't the Marauders suffered enough? (If Rowling dares kill him...) Plus, I'm sure there's still a ton of stuff we could find out about the Marauder's and their time.
The more likely answer is probably that it's someone new, though. Every book has had someone new that (usually) turns out to be an integral part of the plot. (Umbridge seems to be a bit of an exception: she was just an annoyance. )
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Post by Rubes on Jun 30, 2004 21:17:04 GMT -5
Just for the record, Rita brought this up, remember? Blame the birthday girl Rubes, I know Rowling has thrown some big twists at us before (Time Turner in PoA, Polyjuice Potion in GoF, etc.), but you can't possibly be serious with that theory of yours. It would leave most of her readers dazed and confused. ...But, knowing Rowling, we shouldn't completely rule out any theory. That's a good point of yours. All my ideas in the Dumbledore-is-Harry theory have been drawn from JKR's ideas. She has set these ideas out in such a way as to make them easier to understand. Phil's Stone was about producing a life potion. CoS was about preserving a memory. PoA was about the Time Turner. GoF was about reincarnation (Or whatever Volde did ). OotP was about stopping the bad guys (Which Harry was very into).
Albus-being-Harry takes ideas that have already been published by JKR. Doing them over the course of 7 books makes them easier to understand aye? Rather than one big smack in the face, they've been explained over time.
I understand my theory, anyway
How does Harry get a Time Turner? He might not even need one. Surely, there is a spell that can be cast for that kind of thing.
So, if a soul can be taken away from a body, why can't it be put back in? All someone needs to do is discover how Dementors do their Kiss of Death thing, and figure out a way to reverse it.
So, who are the Half-Blood-Prince Candidates?
Remus Rubeus Peter (Was he half-half?)
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