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Post by Robin_Sprouts on Jun 11, 2004 9:51:32 GMT -5
I just think Disney is afraid. We all know any Michael Moore film is going to be highly controversial. Disney is have enough problems right now in the movie department (losing Pixar, maybe losing Miramax) that they don't want to take a chance. Honestly, I don't know if Walt would have felt comfortable backing F911 however, Disney hasn't had a hard time backing controversial movies under the Miramax label in the past. I think they are just chicken!
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Post by d on Jun 11, 2004 11:33:27 GMT -5
I can't believe they're being so gutless, especially since a little controversy wold probably help Disney out with everything else they're going through (although I do think much of it is their own fault.
Personally, I don't like Moore's films very much because he has a habit of twisting facts and manipulating situations so that his documentaries become more like a reality show. It also bothers me the way Hollywood is ready to jump on the band wagon for whatever cause he becomes involved in.
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Post by En on Jun 11, 2004 12:03:39 GMT -5
Dunno, I'm kind of glad someone is out there balancing the spin with more spin... keeps the water level in the middle for the rest of us
Agreed with Robin that this is an example of cowardice. Eisner is really grabbing at anything right now to make him look like he really intends well; but the problem is that he's doing things that make him look worse. It's utterly ridiculous in this day and age to claim that you're not being political anyway - which is the 'reason' they're giving for not backing Moore's film - how can they say they haven't been actively promoting globalism, with their major films set in Arabia, Africa, Japan, etc. each year?
Agreed with D that it would probably be a good business call to promote the film. Better to take risks by allowing more voices to speak out there, than to be known as yet another corporate fascist.
That's not the only bad call Eisner's making right now, either; what's with getting rid of drawn animation? He says it's out of date like black and white... yeah, right. Way to show a lack of respect for the incredible beauty we saw in films like The Lion King, and for cultural phenomena like "The Simpsons."
*paints a picket sign to say "We Want Roy Back" and starts marching back and forth*
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Post by d on Jun 11, 2004 12:26:24 GMT -5
What's funny is that Pirates of the Caribbean showed that Disney can be successful when they show a little nerve. I mean, i's not much, but that was the first PG-13 film to be released under the main Disney banner. Plus, their success with Miramax (Kevin Smith's films aren't exactly uncontroversial - Dogma, anyone?) should also tell them something. I think Eiser's lost it.
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Post by KoNeko on Jun 12, 2004 1:38:21 GMT -5
Perhaps he thinks that being conservative and promoting whatever nasty 1950's traditional family values or whatever is the way to go in winning back kids and families and stuff. *thinks* That said, I do remember reading something about certain Christian groups lobbying Disney after POTC came out or something
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Post by En on Jun 12, 2004 11:03:01 GMT -5
Hm-m, well, it takes a strong leader not to listen to the far left and right wings - and I believe we are in accord that Eisner's not being a strong leader.
I'm sure he thought that announcing a big change like cutting all hand animation would spur interest in Disney - but it just alienated the conservative crowd he's been cultivating with the whole family values line. Whoops.
...Who did Lilo and Stitch? That was a really good not-so-traditional-family story. Meh, then I sit here trying to list all my favourite recent Disney films, and almost all of them are Pixar. Monsters, Inc. and so forth.
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Post by moira on Jun 12, 2004 22:50:32 GMT -5
lol, yeah, the only recent Disney film I like was Pirates, but it's not animation
With Lilo and Stitch, I did like it, but...it was different from what I was expecting. The commercials for it were hilarious, but they gave you the idea that Stitch was going to be this character that was like an annoying little brother to all the Disney classics, disrupting their "kodak" moments.
So I have mixed feelings on it, because the plot ended up being really different from what I imagined. I mean, when the commercials end up being funnier and more inventive than the movie itself....that says something.
And ditto about Eisner. I have nothing more to add that hasn't already been said about him
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Post by d on Jun 12, 2004 23:36:53 GMT -5
Yeah, Lilo and Stitch had afairly strong performance. Hopefully, Eisner finds his way back.
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Post by Fantasia on Jun 15, 2004 9:22:05 GMT -5
Ooh, Lilo and Stitch! Hello, everyone. I do hope you don't mind if I join in. *flutters eyelashes* ;D I oved Lilo and Stitch. One of my favourite Disney movies. I watched it a little while ago, having only seen it once in theatres, and remembered how sad it was. It made me cry four seperate times. It's so sad....but it has a nice ending.
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Post by KoNeko on Aug 4, 2004 7:57:17 GMT -5
Yeah, that last bit at the end when they do that whole "Ohana (spelling?) means family..." thing had me in tears... which is totally Disney-esque. I love how Stitch was like, the ADHD psychotic koala looking thing that liked to bite things (because, short of the mental disorders and looking like a koala, I'm like that as well ). But... I didn't like it when they made him speak fluent English.
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Post by moira on Oct 28, 2004 1:11:58 GMT -5
K, this is sort of changing topics, but Aladdin was just released on DVD a couple weeks ago, and for some reason, I've just absolutely loved that movie ever since I was little, so I bought it and watched a lot of the extra stuff that was on it. For those who are familiar with America pop idols, they had a "new deleted song" on there that was sung by Clay Aiken (gag), and Jessica Simpson and Nick Lache sung the old "A Whole New World" song. I don't really any of those singers, so I wasn't really wanting to like the songs that they did, but I listened to them anyway. And you know what? As much as I may have laughed at the way Clay Aiken looked in the music video that he sang....the song "proud of your boy" is actually really pretty. On the "newly released" sountrack you can buy, they have that song on there, although it isn't sung by Clay Aiken, it's actually sung by the guy who wrote it (it was recorded a long time ago, and I guess they just stuck it in) and although Clay Aiken has a better voice, I like how the other guy sang the song. It just sounds more....down to earth.
Anyway, *cough* erm....heh, guess I kind of went on there didn't I? "Proud of Your Boy" is a pretty song though, so if any of you buy the soundtrack or the DVD, listen to it. It's actually quite pretty, not like the crap songs they stuck in the Lion King's "first time release" or Beauty and The Beast. Those songs were crap.
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